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Date: 2005-05-25 |
Author: noolout |
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Getting Tracks LOUD yet balanced - Cyanphase Jedshiva!!
This process took a while to come up with but i was tired of my tracks sounding thin and not full. This is not a guide to mastering, that is a really long learning process that takes time to learn and alot of knowledge of filters, eqs, reverb, dc, blah, blah. But ....
Alot of times, buzzers will maximize the volume by adjusting the bass or the bassdrum to cause the buzz main volume meter to pump red but not clip. I came up with a similar solution using Cyanphase's Jedshiva instead of the buzz master meter which imo, is visually challenging.
This method will do one thing - get your tracks sounding loud and full - avoiding clipping - but filling out the spectrum, making your track stand out over the rest, bumping, loud, thumping. Getting the loudest sound possible from your generators.
Cyanphase Jedshiva is a great machine. Its basically a visual dB meter per channel. There are little buttons on the gui to solo/mute the tracks as well. Think of it as a very basic visual 'router' with no effect on the sound, a primitive 'mixer' without volume.
This way you can visually see what the dBs are for your individual chains.
Using the scheme
generator - pre - jedshiva - post - master
Pre = any effect - i use parameq, cheapo amp whatever u wish, just remember this machine shouldn't be disconnected, set the volume to the max according to jedshiva's reading, try to do this at the beginning of your chains, it makes life easier
Post = post production, mastering effects chain, like a limiter, mastering eq or whatever combination, this always starts with a cheapo amp
Why this way ?
Jedshiva is great but maxes at 0 db, if something is clipping it will be difficult to notice if we are trying to obtain the loudest sound possible.
If we cut off all of our machines to read about -6dB using the volume slider on a pre machine and add a global post cheapo amp at +6dB we can obtain really loud, full, rich, thick sounds. We can visually increase/decrease out volumes on our pre machine's volume and while watching the Jedshiva meter, we can adjust it accurately to as close to without going over -6dB. This way, if we go over, we will visually see it and correct it. Then we compensate with a post +6dB cheapo amp.
Why -6db ? Either -6 or -12 db, you will notice, on jedshiva's GUI both lines are there. In the example file, i used -12db.
We can also now detach out pre machine from jedshiva and preview any effects/filters we want in our chains - swap em in and out easily
We can also detach our post ch. amp from the master to preview any post-production/mastering effects
generator - ch. amp (pre) - * - jedshiva - ch amp (post) - ** - master
* individual chain's effects
** post production effect
There are alot of things to this. And its not a perfect system. Similar things can be done with jeskola mixer, ld mixer and other ways, but this method I find to be quick and easy and at low cpu. Attached is one of my default templates. Thanks to Cyanphase for Jedshiva and for Paniq's video to get the mental wheels cranking. Thanks to the Buzz community in general and all the devs. Rock on !
just a suggestion ... do with this information what you will
peace,
Noolmusic.com
approaching 0 or maybe -0.1db :p
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| Attached File: Cyanphase_Jedshiva_example.zip |
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This is probably more than what needs to be said, but..
One thing to keep in mind is that, obviously, this method does not show dB at frequency ranges, just individual instruments. Therefore, if you're not paying attention, "anomalies" can occur if two or more instruments are sharing a certain frequency range. Jedshiva won't show this, although it will usually be blatantly obvious to your ears. I'd recommend not inserting any limiters/compressors post-jedshiva until later in the composition process. Also, having a spectrum analyser just before the master can help.
PS- While using an EQ in post production can help, if one of the aforementioned "anomalies" exists, you wouldn't accomplish much more than frustration trying to compensate when ALL the sound has already been combined. Determine which instruments are causing the problem, and then decide if one or more could do without some frequencies, or at least reduced significantly. Then, probably the easiest--though least efficient, imo--thing to do is insert an EQ at the end of that instrument's pre-jedshiva chain.
ok i'm done...
I 2005-05-26 by fhisch (Voted 10 for this review!) |
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| pps I LUB NOOL HE IS GREAT 2005-05-26 by fhisch (Voted 10 for this review!) |
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| thx. precious tutorial! (and also an amazing musical example!) 2005-06-02 by tinga (Voted 10 for this review!) |
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| to be sure not to clip place a cheapo stats before teh master! 2005-06-25 by flos (Voted 10 for this review!) |
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Thanks! I just added said machine to my song, and I used your pre and post cheapo amp ideas and my God the song I am making sounds SO much better!
And that sound example was also sweet :) 2005-08-12 by Codename420 (Voted 5 for this review!) |
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Shit, I rated the review a 5.
my bad 2005-08-12 by Codename420 (Voted 10 for this review!) |
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I like this technique, and I've applied it (sort of) to a number of my songs lately, so thanks a lot for the great advice. The biggest problem I have with this approach is that if you use the Jedshiva as your primary mixer you don't have any master level control over the panning or EQ of individual parts. This could be compensated by panning control before the JedShiva (does Ch.Amp do this?) or pre mixer EQs, but I really like to see all of my volume, panning, and EQ controls in one window, for which I use LD Mixer. Of course, the disadvantage to that is that the volume indicators are much harder to read, and don't seem to do a very good job of indicating when something will clip.
So what I've been doing is attaching the JedShiva at the end of my mastering chain, and using your technique to very good effect. Since I've been doing this, my songs sound louder, smoother, and better already. So thanks again. 2005-10-13 by wurm (Voted 5 for this review!) |
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| 2006-07-12 by asarya (Voted 10 for this review!) |
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